What If...?

Steve Fischer and Chuck Swindoll would heartily agree that it’s not the degrees they’ve both earned that have qualified them for soul work. Steve Fischer’s being crushed through his daughter’s death has taught him how to care for the crushed. Hear how his and Chuck’s life events have prepared them for a ministry of caring.

I Don't Know, but I'm Here

Chuck Swindoll recognizes a depth in Steve which has made him an effective pastor who reaches people. His own loss has freed him from the need to have the answers for others' pain.

It Means So Much Now

Experiencing the crushing of your soul changes the lens through which you view life. Steve describes some ways he views things differently now, especially with his younger daughters.

Sticking to the Main Thing

For the first two years of Payton's life, Steve and his wife, Melanie, chased the right diagnosis for her. But then their focus changed, as he describes in this tender video segment.

A Story of Crushing

Steve Fischer, Pastor of Biblical Counseling, tells the story about how his daughter Payton's illnesses and life struggles affected him and his wife.

Introduction

Chuck Swindoll introduces his daughter, Colleen, and Steve Fischer. He explains how their discussions of the heartaches they have faced match the themes covered in the What If . . . ? series.